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zb1 in bloom era thoughts
cant believe im seeing u get zerosepilled on the tl in real time!! rly curious what u think of the members and dynamix so far
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fuck the cc character limit. anyways. everything i've watched so far is from inbloom era and everything i have to say, and could comment on dynamics wise is horrifically outdated. but i digress.
he (ricky) is giving me cravity allen and nmixx lily vibes. i'm sure everyone remembers me being supremely pissed off at how awkward the krn members were around these idols and how the group dynamics suffered from this. my theory is that this is just a phase all kpop groups go through when there's a member that doesn't speak krn super well and is overly enthusiastic about idolism to make up for it. not that it's their fault of course, and it's not entirely the other members' fault (in nmixx's case it kinda is. sorry), it's mostly just a product of the situation being inherently awkward. awkward to wait for someone to finish a sentence in front of a thousand cameras probably. i do think that zb1 are handling it a million times better than nmixx or cravity, which is soothing.
in general, most of the members are the type to tease each other with that flavor of krn variety show humor (gunwook i'm looking at you), and anyone that is not trained in that area gets on by being the targets of said members (ricky, yujin, matthew, jiwoong (only really makes fun of matthew). so it's hardly as if ricky is being singled out, which eases the tension. however, in situations where's he's the only teasable member within reach of teasing members, the atmosphere gets a bit tight. tbh this is probably cause he has no way to really defend himself or formulate a response fast enough, so the teasing starts to seem... relentless. (i'm pulling from this video [ENG] Complete ZEROBASEONE on TheKstarNextDoor Part 1 (ft. boys planet) so ... take this w/ a grain of salt maybe?)
interestingly, matthew and zhanghao don't have this air around them (because they're able to respond fast enough, adequately, however you'd phrase that without me sounding like an asshole), so ricky's the only foreign member this applies to. i do wonder how his speaking skills are now, and if they've improved vastly, whether the tension is alleviated.
i don't give a flying fuck what their ship name is rn but oh my god i love them i really do… they are real… it’s true… everyone was right. not to straightcode them or anything, but independently the way i think of them is like. shb is a prince (optimistic, i will do right and do good and work hard mindset, princely looking up and out at the audience, main character protagonist vibes. and look at his face. just look at it.) and zh is Also a prince (except ever so slightly more princess vibes and the only thing i have to back this up is that he’s disgusted by farts and the way he showed his disgust was so girl… so renjun… also his general vibe. i made this all up. all of this is in my head.) zh is perfect did i mention. he’s perfect.
together, they understand each other on a physical mental spiritual astrological etc etc level. as much as i am a champion of enemies to lovers and literally-anything-besides-liking-each-other to lovers tropes, the /love at first sight/ story they tell has its appeal. it’s the most destined-for-each-other fate fairytale esque narrative i’ve ever heard, except it all makes sense. each of them being the 1st in their respective groups, and then having to spend time with each other because of that, and finding that they get along well. and then the soulmate bullcrap that they probably get a kick out of sliding in every now and then. (i think even they agree it’s sort of a prince meets prince type of situation… not in those words but. just watch. [ENG SUB] Haobin Moment - Boys Planet behind the scenes).
other moments that attest to them Knowing e/o include zh doing the call me mother dance to make them laugh (did u know he’s SO FUNNY) here. they’re also well aware of the fact that everyone thinks they’re fucking and i think they choose to play into this quite often (what with the soulmate bit and also being the gayest people alive on camera at every possible second (what the hell was happening in the bp final ranking announcement. genuinely what the fuck.)) the videos i watched specifically with these two are the asmr ones, which gave me a good idea of how they think of themselves and each other on a surface-ish level. like epidermis or dermis level i suppose.
also i said this about sungchan and shotaro but when you’ve been through the exact same shitty experience together (or experience, period. i don’t think anyone else will get the whole prince thing and the responsibility and the pressure etc etc like they do) there’s just nobody else for you.
it pains me to be commenting on their dynamics at this point because i know for sure there are crucial developments that have happened since inbloom and i can’t operate like this. but . wow. matthew is a guy who thinks he’s straight and has an obsession with a Guy and he’s very oblivious to how deep that obsession goes. jiwoong thinks he’s neat. cute, even. i love that matthew generally looks up to jiwoong (his beloved hyung) except he uses english at every opportunity and this is the point on which he teaches jiwoong instead. how the turns have tabled! make him flustered. do it for me! other things i noticed:
that’s basically all i have for now… whenever i watch the next round of content and catch up i will have more for u :) everything i’ve written here was gearing up to be a dreamwidth post but i suppose this saves me from repeating myself later. hope u enjoyed nonnie
ricky
he (ricky) is giving me cravity allen and nmixx lily vibes. i'm sure everyone remembers me being supremely pissed off at how awkward the krn members were around these idols and how the group dynamics suffered from this. my theory is that this is just a phase all kpop groups go through when there's a member that doesn't speak krn super well and is overly enthusiastic about idolism to make up for it. not that it's their fault of course, and it's not entirely the other members' fault (in nmixx's case it kinda is. sorry), it's mostly just a product of the situation being inherently awkward. awkward to wait for someone to finish a sentence in front of a thousand cameras probably. i do think that zb1 are handling it a million times better than nmixx or cravity, which is soothing.
in general, most of the members are the type to tease each other with that flavor of krn variety show humor (gunwook i'm looking at you), and anyone that is not trained in that area gets on by being the targets of said members (ricky, yujin, matthew, jiwoong (only really makes fun of matthew). so it's hardly as if ricky is being singled out, which eases the tension. however, in situations where's he's the only teasable member within reach of teasing members, the atmosphere gets a bit tight. tbh this is probably cause he has no way to really defend himself or formulate a response fast enough, so the teasing starts to seem... relentless. (i'm pulling from this video [ENG] Complete ZEROBASEONE on TheKstarNextDoor Part 1 (ft. boys planet) so ... take this w/ a grain of salt maybe?)
interestingly, matthew and zhanghao don't have this air around them (because they're able to respond fast enough, adequately, however you'd phrase that without me sounding like an asshole), so ricky's the only foreign member this applies to. i do wonder how his speaking skills are now, and if they've improved vastly, whether the tension is alleviated.
haobin
i don't give a flying fuck what their ship name is rn but oh my god i love them i really do… they are real… it’s true… everyone was right. not to straightcode them or anything, but independently the way i think of them is like. shb is a prince (optimistic, i will do right and do good and work hard mindset, princely looking up and out at the audience, main character protagonist vibes. and look at his face. just look at it.) and zh is Also a prince (except ever so slightly more princess vibes and the only thing i have to back this up is that he’s disgusted by farts and the way he showed his disgust was so girl… so renjun… also his general vibe. i made this all up. all of this is in my head.) zh is perfect did i mention. he’s perfect.
together, they understand each other on a physical mental spiritual astrological etc etc level. as much as i am a champion of enemies to lovers and literally-anything-besides-liking-each-other to lovers tropes, the /love at first sight/ story they tell has its appeal. it’s the most destined-for-each-other fate fairytale esque narrative i’ve ever heard, except it all makes sense. each of them being the 1st in their respective groups, and then having to spend time with each other because of that, and finding that they get along well. and then the soulmate bullcrap that they probably get a kick out of sliding in every now and then. (i think even they agree it’s sort of a prince meets prince type of situation… not in those words but. just watch. [ENG SUB] Haobin Moment - Boys Planet behind the scenes).
other moments that attest to them Knowing e/o include zh doing the call me mother dance to make them laugh (did u know he’s SO FUNNY) here. they’re also well aware of the fact that everyone thinks they’re fucking and i think they choose to play into this quite often (what with the soulmate bit and also being the gayest people alive on camera at every possible second (what the hell was happening in the bp final ranking announcement. genuinely what the fuck.)) the videos i watched specifically with these two are the asmr ones, which gave me a good idea of how they think of themselves and each other on a surface-ish level. like epidermis or dermis level i suppose.
also i said this about sungchan and shotaro but when you’ve been through the exact same shitty experience together (or experience, period. i don’t think anyone else will get the whole prince thing and the responsibility and the pressure etc etc like they do) there’s just nobody else for you.
matthew/jiwoong
it pains me to be commenting on their dynamics at this point because i know for sure there are crucial developments that have happened since inbloom and i can’t operate like this. but . wow. matthew is a guy who thinks he’s straight and has an obsession with a Guy and he’s very oblivious to how deep that obsession goes. jiwoong thinks he’s neat. cute, even. i love that matthew generally looks up to jiwoong (his beloved hyung) except he uses english at every opportunity and this is the point on which he teaches jiwoong instead. how the turns have tabled! make him flustered. do it for me! other things i noticed:
- the way matthew holds jiwoong’s wrist when he’s trying to stress his point…. ok. OK. (it’s somewhere in this video trust me)
- thinks jiwoong is the ideal example of tough guy. (his beloved hyung… GUYS….)
- i saw a member (in the subtitles) comment on their film reaction about how someone said jiwoong is acting well and i was not paying full attention and before i went to rewind i was like. ok did matthew say that. i bet he did. LO AND BEHOLD. !!!
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fucking this. whatever this is.
- matthew: this is my favorite scene motions to shot of jiwoongs face
- matthew: why are you flirting
- jiwoong: i was flirting with someone
- subtitles: jiwoong was flirting with matthew
- what am i supposed to make of this except the obvious…
that’s basically all i have for now… whenever i watch the next round of content and catch up i will have more for u :) everything i’ve written here was gearing up to be a dreamwidth post but i suppose this saves me from repeating myself later. hope u enjoyed nonnie
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I, NMIXX SCHOLAR
**THIS IS PRE-A LOT OF NMIXX CONTENT SO DO PROCEED WITH CAUTION I WILL POST UPDATES EVENTUALLY. I REFUSE TO GO BACK AND UPDATE THIS ONE i spent two weeks on this shit leave me alone**
so the thing is... i'm irreversibly hooked on nmixx dynamics
guy who has a lot to say on nmixx
INTRO
i have become so invested in nmixx since debut… ive had faith in them since predebut and after the slight letdown that was O.O i found the fucking perfectest imperfect dynamics in a group ever. ITS BAD. i dont think ive ever been this invested in a group’s dynamics before but there is simply so much to talk about that i will die. and i COULD unleash all my tinhat onto twitter for exactly one (1) like. but why do that when i can write freaky shit with my freaky diagrams to share with all my gross friends <3
WITHOUT FURTHER ADO!
SONG THOUGHTS
the instrumental is fine it's the complete switch up in the middle... imagine if they were separate songs. or if they put songs together with matching vibes
the next level switch up was at least similar sound/vibes... this is like Completely different songs that's the only thing that annoys me. on their own the parts are so good minus jinni's opening im sorry they made u rap baby <3
nmixx releasing a sticker type grower wasnt the Best decision without an established fanbase... the reason sticker worked is cause we weren't afraid of 30 more listens!
O.O is one of those growers. i needed a few listens to digest this song in full, even tho im used to noise music. more than one listen is guaranteed from me if it isn’t a slow song and if at least one part of it piques my interest. normal fans though… or whatever you can really call nmixx fans (Normal. huh). i doubt theyd give O.O more than a few listens unless they’ve already wholeheartedly dedicated themselves to nmixx like so many accounts out there do (what is with the race to be first btw. we hadnt even seen the members and there were a ton of JYPn accounts out there like why have you already decided to stan this group you set yourself up. also how do u know ur gonna fucking like them ANYWAYS). so this song isnt the best for attracting new fans.
TBH the reason sticker worked is because NCT has an established fanbase that’s used to this type of song. O.O is flopping because nobody knows what the NMIXX sound is like. maybe after this, releasing a grower/second mix-pop song will hit better now that they have an audience (tho . do they. do they really) who generally enjoyed O.O. BUT THE POINT REMAINS. don’t pull a stunt like this without solid guaranteed support. Sticker had guaranteed support and the shock factor, plus yknow. fans already liking that type of music.
i get that the predebut clips were supposed to build people’s faith in nmixx (i applaud jyp for doing that bc i very much enjoyed the covers AND i know this group is talented. WAY beyond what O.O presented to us) but i don’t think it was good enough preparation for the music.
A MINI RANT ON WHY THE FUCK THEY PICKED O.O AS THE TT OVER TANK
WHEN TANK IS INFINITELY BETTER AND OUTSLAYED IN EVERY WAY?? a majority of stan twitter did not take the freaky fishies well but the thing is (THE THING IS.) i know we all heard that incomingggg on the track… DEM JOINTZ WORKED ON THIS… that was my first thought when i heard it. so i didn’t exactly like the freaky fishies when i heard whatever was released before debut, but on my first listen of the full song that shit hit HARD.
its like even if the lyrics are awful KPOP STANS DGAF. we r already listening to korean words that we mostly do not understand… the beat went so hard that the lyrics didnt bother me as much as i expected them to. tank outperforms O.O in almost every way because the song is FUCKING COHESIVE, catchy, and. just. just good. also dem jointz <3 honestly makes me like the song more knowing demjointz worked on it.
im also wondering if JYP will do eras with NMIXX like they did with ITZY (based on the featured line in the second teaser, it was that member’s era), b/c i would assume this is kyujins. at the same time the mix pop sort of ruined the opportunity for eras b/c different people shine in both parts of the song… overall kyujin but by part: kyujin (first part), lily (beat switch up), kyujin (back to og song).
MEMBER THOUGHTS
so obviously they’re in a cravity type situation here (sorry i have to make that comparison btw its not my fucken fault) w one member being foreign and obviously the odd one out… and then the rest is like: popular clout influence boss members (in cravity it’s the members who were on produce and in x1, for nmixx it’s the dance line) and new members who are just there. and they’re mixing in OK but it’s debatable.
also nmixx's dynamix is super weird rn bc it seems like the maknaes are pulling more influence in the group? i think the dance line (kj, jn, jw) have the most clout, and then it's sullyoon, bae, and haewon in that order, then lily who has like 0 power in the hierarchy
generally agree with this ranking tho id switch bae and sullyoon simply bc bae has proved herself Big time. kind of sad that the leader doesnt have much power here despite being. the leader. YKNOW? and bae is much more leader like than her inlike.... so many ways. (minus haewon's mom tendencies.) AND jinni too, except jinni is part of the dance line and the dance line dgaf about the other members really. sullyoon pulls influence as a visual and nothing else (even tho she can SING and DANCE T_T). and rip lily i have so much to say on her but i will reserve that for her own section.
THE DORMMATES ARE AS FOLLOWS (from haewon's birthday vlive):
kyujin
jiwoo
jiwoo
jinni
sullyoon
sullyoon
bae
haewon
lily
haewon
lily
the friend groups are as follows:
I KNOW THIS LOOKS CONFUSING. LET ME EXPLAIN.
Dance line is all in pink (kyujin, jiwoo, jinni) where kyujin and jiwoo are the closest to each other. double lines going from kyujin to jinni and jiwoo to jinni as well, because theyre close, but not as close as kyujin/jiwoo. crappy solution was to add a dashed line from jinni to them to indicate that jinni likes them more than they like jinni. i think it's the fact that kyujin and jiwoo are dormmates that singles jinni out a bit. plus, jinni is the oldest between the three.
also jinni is roommates with sullyoon, and sorry but i know those two don’t talk much 😭 this interaction between them does it for me (13:22 in [NMIXX] "O.O" MV Behind #MIXXTREAM | 두 눈이 커져 like👀) it's highkey SO AWKWARD . also the fact that jiwoo and jinni were together in the previous clip makes the difference so stark 😭 um this is what happens when u put introvert loner and introvert with an established friend group in a room. u know jinni was pissed when whoever the idiot behind these room arrangements were decided the rooms.... girl was fuming. I WOULD PISSED TOO IF THE ONLY ACTUALY TRIO OF FRIENDS IN THE GROUP DIDNT GET THE ROOM FIT FOR THREE!
this moment in [NMIXX] "O.O" MV Behind #MIXXTREAM | 두 눈이 커져 like👀 is like nmixx dynamics in exact summary minus a member but WHO FUCKING GIVES A SHIT see how everyone has someone to talk to except lily and sullyoon who are both Not. and sullyoon looks like she's staring off into space while lily looks like she's starving for an opportunity to jump in or add on. this is it people this is what ive been trying to say!
with nmixx it is like they will talk about their trainee stories and i’ll be like OH theyre close i guess and that means THEYRE close but theyll then go on to display none of that on camera. like are you just nervous? are you lying to me? did you drift? did ur roommates fuck u up what is happening. suuuch weird dynamics.
random pairings thoughtz
bae/haewon
forst of all... THEYRE CAFETERIA BUDDIES. i see these two together a lot in their behind content, tho i will say bae is much closer to the dance line than haewon, and haewon doesn’t actually seem that close to anyone in particular. from this story (And much of what she said in her vlive which i shall cover in Her section) i say she’s closest to bae. also since bae and haewon either have to deal with The Dance Line, an established friend group, or on the opposite side of the spectrum, two loners... i mean no debate there youd stick with ur cafeteria buddy! i think theyre definitely pushed together a lot bc of those circumstances but neither of them mind because they get along well enough.
jiwoo/bae
hehe i like this tweet a lot... this is where i completely blanked bc. JIWOO AND BAE ARE FRIENDS? THATS A SHOCKER? jiwoo is like always around kyujin and jinni. n e ways, so cute <3 doesnt everyone adore jiwoo. i do <3 these two were never a stickout duo to me in any way but i can say that theyre pretty comfortable with each other. and it pushed forth the idea of bae being close w/ the dance line and within that, closest to jiwoo. ALSO this moment. tight
i'll mention jinni/sullyoon in a future post... lots came out. i have many new thoughts. did i mention this is outdated and im posting it anyways.
MEMBERS
kyujin
(i have a ton of tweets from predebut/just after debut so they’ll be in this dropdown)
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@cakewrap ∙ Nov 16, 2021
center girl here KYUJIN is seriously the perfectest person ever.
pic.twitter.com/GDoJUykeDb
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@cakewrap ∙ Nov 16, 2021
like objectively the dance ranking here is 1. jinni 2. kyujin 3. the other girl but kyujinnnn is so clearly. ah. her teeth. her teef. her mouf. is shaped so nicely also she slays
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@cakewrap ∙ Nov 16, 2021
LOOK AT HER MOUF.
kyujin like doesn't move her torso like jinni can but thats just character you wouldn't get it
jinni also slays but she looks like she would bully me in high school. like if karina had giselle's personality. kyujin is just sooo (๑◕⌓◕๑)
goodnight kyujin is perfect wait till she has a Personality she'll be even better 💗
this what i mean when i say kyujin has stage presence and The Most of it
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@cakewrap ∙ Feb 26
Replying to @cortanasol
Replying to @cortanasol
OH MAYBE ILL LIKE JIWOO TOO. i love kyujin so far she lays out her whole mind for me hehe <3 also she is top tier in. everything.
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@cakewrap ∙ Feb 26
Replying to @cortanasol
Replying to @cortanasol
RT kyujin definitely holds the most power in this group
im like 12 minutes in and bae starts to introduce the tt instead of haewon
kyujin is also crazy she's doing a Lot 😭😭
im like 12 minutes in and bae starts to introduce the tt instead of haewon
kyujin is also crazy she's doing a Lot 😭😭
this girl is insane. first of all, in flo’s words… SHE IS THE INADVERTENT MAKNAE BOSS ive never heard better phrasing. pretty much all eyes are on her. jyp was probably debating whether to make kyujin the face of the group or jinni, and it looks like they went with kyujin?! it works bc kyujin has a pretty standout face (its the mouf guys ive been saying this) and is OUTSTANDING talent wise… shes suuuuuch a good dancer (see: jypn press cover) i want to see more from her. tho i think jinni is more it girl vibes. also sorry for saying her torso wasn’t fluid i lied she’s very flexible.
she said she joined the company in FIFTH GRADE (weekly idol) VIA AUDITION.. that’s fucking crazy and honestly makes me question whether She wanted that or if someone nudged her a bit to do it. she’s an Idol though. a performer. have u SEEN her stage presence and facial expressions btw...
her facial expressions are to die for… she’s so expressive with the music. you can tell she really enjoys it ^__^ she does do a lot of weird faces . like randomly in the middle of stuff she’ll just make an :0 face and im like ?!.. but that helps so much with dancing. she puts her groove and energy into the song. she’s fluid but not a fluidity based dancer… id say more power based, along w jinni and jiwoo. the dance line all having the same style works out well for them doing those trio dances. with itzy it’s like chaeryeong is fluidity/clarity based, yeji is power based, and ryujin is strength based so u have a noticeable enough difference between how they do moves
in terms of singing.. she’s ok. i can hear her singing from her throat in her my oh my cover on the high note, and in o.o she sort of shouts the note around 1:42. and in the live stages she's been going so hard with the dancing that her singing suffers (you can see her strain at 1:40 in [LIVE] NMIXX 엔믹스 'O.O' (오오) Showcase Stage 쇼케이스 무대 (릴리, 해원, 설윤, 지니, 배이, 지우, 규진)ㅣTongTongCulture bc she doesnt get enough breath to belt that high, nevermind not having ever belted on camera before. also i noticed she goes harder than the others on the dancing, like the hand wave at 1:05. why is no one else going hard? bc moving your torso hinders your singing ability. im pretty sure you have to tighten your core or some crazy shit like that in order to sing while dancing. since gg choreo requires a lot more torso movements OBVIOUSLY its gonna be harder for gg idols to sing live. btw itzy have pretty much mastered the art of moving your torso right and singing live, which is litcherally insane to me. anyways kyujin is sort of setting herself up there - whether she's purposefully putting effort into the dance or she simply does not know, idk. but i think kyujin is a good dancer and should, theoretically, know her body well enough to realize what she's doing. ANYWAYS.) i dont mind her rapping, kinda thankful she has notes in the song she can hit without straining tf out of herself, but tbh nmixx do not need to rap, like, at all. kyujin can either have less lines or lower lines since her lower notes sound pretty good in o.o (she doesnt really project unless she starts shouting so). and a much needed dance/break chorus she deserves that much!!! and NO I DID NOT FORGET SHE HAD COVID that could be messing with her as well. we will see... they need a FUCKING comeback i dont care if they debuted a week ago
anyways shes got stage presence and her fancams will have the most views… GET WELL SOON MY BB T__T I NEED FANCAMZ
kyujin is also Weird. her reactions to. Everything are so ??? like wow she is just a teenage girl… she’s insane too… she likes to make weird faces and imitate noises and literally NEVER thinks twice about what she’s saying. if she’s nervous she’ll let it out. if she’s got a tmi she will say it, no matter how useless or boring it may be (thank u thank u i love my kyujintonins keep it coming). at first i was like her idolsona is STRONG but now i do genuinely believe she is Like That. and i luv her for it &_&
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jiwoo. definitely jiwoo. they’re roommates, practice together, are in the dance line, and are also close with jinni as well. i kinda love the dance line and despise them at the same time just cus i hate clique-y things so much…. INTEGRATE WITH THE GROUP MEMBERS COME ON. but they have a v cute bond T_T i would like to see more of them their behind video was so entertaining… compared to aespa who r so lifeless and lowkey boring on their behinds (sorry i always watch these at 2 am and if its not entertaining enough to keep me awake then its boring. how is that my fault) nmixx are pretty fun. maybe me being overly intrigued by every member is keeping me awake but Theyre so fun to watch sue me idc.
kyujin knows how to hook an audience what do they teach in those jyp classes
ISNT SHE SOMETHING… she is so entertaining. makes weird faces, says what’s on her mind, gets told it’s a tmi but does she give a fuck? she’s the maknae and she fulfills that role perfectly. she’s so energetic and ^__^ CUTE. you can also tell when she genuinely laughs at something or not…. like when lily was making a joke early on in weekly idol (probably the first time the spotlight was on lily that episode) it was totally a forced laugh. i appreciate the effort but it is very clear she dgaf about lily. i think she’s also preoccupied with debuting and being The Maknae, and not only that but maknae dance slayer center slayer slight rap slayer and appealing to tens of hundreds of cameras. so im letting her off the hook ok
re: tmi queen this girl LOVES TO TALK… zero brain to mouth filters i watched about five minutes of that nmixx behind and already knew that a) her roommate was jiwoo b) jiwoo loves to be hugged and act cute c) kyujin is always willing to give her fake-maknae unnie a hug and d) kyujin is younger but jiwoo can act younger so <33. and jinni acts like the dance line unnie. can you tell she’s my bias i love kyujin so much
jinni
the visual slayer / dancer liner / pink pants girl after press i liked her so much but her personality itself is like. not that interesting but HILARIOUS to me her rbf. HER RBF IS TOOOO 😭 ALSO THE WAY WE SEE IT WHEN LILY IS LILY-ING... i dont think i like her as much now than when she was just a very pretty good dancer. i originally said she was in my 2pick but idk anymore… we will see.
she’s a VERY good dancer. watch press. not to repeat myself for the 80th time but this girl IS a yeji doppelganger look at her fucking face and when she starts singing in her mama cover it is like wow you sing like an idol from jyp! lack of support in her voice, has a decent range tho. she can make it work. and she’s very stable while prancing around.. miss jinni is good.
SO WHY DID THEY MAKE HER RAP IN O.O WHEN SHE COULDVE SANG. AM PISSED. she's also the best vocalist of the dance line, followed by kyujin, then jiwoo (based on JYPn covers because O.O doesn't tell you shit about anyone's capabilities.) neither of them seem to have a strong degree of support present, but jinni clearly has the most range in which she can hit comfortably.
honestly she gives off really mean vibes. she would scoff at me in high school. and the rbf is noooot helping her out there 😭 we're also letting jinni off the hook because she already has the roommate struggle plus having to rap the worst rap ive ever heard (scroog scroog?) plus who else is gonna take the position of member-knetz-accuse-of-having-an-attitude-problem. EXACTLY
i did say she gave off leader vibes but thats bc shes a REAL UNNIE ygm. outside the dance line she is rowdy, though less rowdy than the other two, but within the dance line she acts the most mature. everyone seems to like her, but ive only seen her pull a real smile out near kyujin and jiwoo. also what does she have against lily LMFAO her face at 18:52 is killing me.
closest to
HER DANCE LINE SISTERS OBVIOUSLY kyujin/jiwoo. i think jinni pulls a lot of influence in the group as both part of the dance line and as a Visual. the way they all swooned over her in this clip tells me a whole lot lmfaoo. also the way she looked so comfortable teasing kyujin about her tmi. they’re definitely close
question for the audience do we think jinni is it-girl material. is she intimidating enough!
haewon
the leader of nmixx. THO IS SHE EVEN? not rlly leader vibes more like uptight XXXJ. i know J is good for planning and organization and various leader qualities etc etc but personally i think a XXXP type fits being a leader more. being flexible, able to improvise on certain things, is more important imo.
as a vocalist i LOVE HER1!!!!!!! SO MUCH. her voice is SO fucking well supported (see: survivor cover with lily) it is exactly everything she advertises it as. honey or jade or whatever. she has good technique and is a strong vocalist. for jyp thats crazy. TWO good vocalists in one group :0 color me shocked in twice we had jihyo and no one else in itzy we had an alto and no one else... jyp stepping up their game talent wise <3
why is she leader again? lol we (me and flo) were saying how bae and jinni are both better suited for the job and how haewon doesnt give enough of a fuck about all the members (like what is she DOING). she can get the group’s attention when they get too rowdy (courtesy of kyujin shes so fucken louddd) but ummm i think that’s as far as her leader capabilities go. oh and fixing jinni's rbf .
for some reason i have my eyes on so many haewon pairings. so many meaning two, lily/haewon and haewon/jinni. haewon jinni bc haewon seems closer to her than i originally thought (sorry im not redoing the friendship circles diagram that was hell but we can safely conclude she and jinni arent strangers for sure). and haewon lily because they have a past in LA and did some (one) cover together AND released content together that i have yet to watch and form opinions on. so the pairing intrigues me bc the company is lowkey On it.
want to know haewon moments that made me litcherally wanna die.... this moment in [ENG SUB] Releasing strange talents! Are we fine doing this...? | Idol Human Theater - NMIXX where bae and haewon laugh at lily for THINKIKNG A MOMENT IS TOUCHING ONLY BC IT WASNT ACTUALLY TOUCHING (MORE ON THAT LATER) seriously rubs me the wrong way... AND THEY WERE ROOMMATES. what r these two doing in that SILENT room
i think she may have been closer to lily in the past, but now that she’s in a group, and the leader at that, she’s less focused on lily or whatever they had together. also she gives less of a fuck. so we see lily trying to impress her members while haewon is like um, ,
closest to
definitely bae, from what i can tell, theyre cafeteria buddies and idk about you but im tight with my cafeteriaMates so. ur at kpop idol entertainment company training all the time and this is ur lunch buddy oh hell yeah. and supposedly lily but they don’t seem very close. (going back and editing... i think they're closer than i initially thought they were but ITS WEIRD.)
lily
i absolutely LOVE her voice,, listen to her finesse - bruno mars cover omg its stunning... its wonderful shes feeling the vibe and singing and grooving ^__^ ALSO the survivor cover with haewon. why is she so good. she’s not like, a Dancer or anything but she’s not bad either. also props to her for not putting us in an itzy situation again im glad nmixx has a reliable main vocalist, at the very least.
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also at first glance purely from the o.o mv i thought lily would be leader. but that one interaction with kyujin was like um nvm she's not as close with the members (or at least w kyujin and maybe haewon) for sure
i was wrong about haewon btw see: haewon section (sorry this is so goddamn disorganized ive been working on it for two weeks and ugh. no more redoing it).
LILY IS SO INCH RESTING. she’s from australia, she’s trained the longest (7 years) at jyp but she’s also holding the least influence in the group and is SUCH a pick me girl around the members u would not believe. it’s crazy bc i would say she’s one of the most talented in the group plus extreme vocal slayage im talking top contenders in kpop of like all time or something (!!) so im like shouldnt u be the fucken boss of this thing. theoretically THESE GIRLS HAVE NOTHING ON U. but ITS NOT LIKE THAT AT ALL. the members will do anything and her confidence drops by 100009. she gets so easily nervous and overthinks everything, tries her best to impress the members even tho she literally doesnt need to bc SHES ALREADY SLAY and they dont even gaf this is so terrible
she really wants validation from her members which is so%^$%^ to watch because SHE IS TALENTED AND REALLY THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES WANTING HER VALIDATION. since she’s the foreign member (and this tends to happen w foreign members idk the kpop industry is fucking them up) they’re the odd ones out so they try their best to fit in with the group and seem the least foreign. lily rlly wants them to like her.. thats how i know theyre not very close. or at least, that clip (you know exactly which clip im talking about) was my first clue-in... everything else ive seen from her simply confirmed that thought.
@ 13:09 and onwards in [NMIXX] Jacket Behind #MIXXTREAM | NMIXX 1st Single 'AD MARE' 🐬. the members took concept photos before her so. it’s not like they could stick around to judge whatever the result was. girl please stand up youre fine. AND YOU DID WELL PLEASE HAVE CONFIDENCE YOURE OK YOURE GOOD she is sooo. cringe but affectionately. you get me.
@ 19:10 to 19:33 in [ENG SUB] Releasing strange talents! Are we fine doing this...? | Idol Human Theater - NMIXX ok like. the way this was supposed to be a silly little game but lily goes all out on her adlibs (amazing outstanding people died btw) and the rest of them go along with their random ass reactions and she’s like 'i felt so touched :") so honored to receive those reactions. that shred of affection. i was powerful enough to do that'..... thats NOT WHAT THAT WAS. that was kyujin orchestrating a reaction to her talent which was Not supposed to be a very good talent but. she did anyways and then fucking bae and haewon laughed at her. sorry but theyre in the trenches rn . and dear haewon as the closest member to lily youre doing a horrible job. and as a leader.
lily was trying Very hard with the let's eat game (weekly idol) i feel like if she was the first one out she thinks they'd be like oh yeah Expected of lily. you don't have to prove anything... you made it to the last three you're fine you did well T__T
she'd be pretty down if she was out early ykwim
you could see her practicing repeatedly too. like Seriously practicing to impress everyone, and she fucking MADE IT TO THE TOP 3 IN THE GAME. THATS GOOD. AND IT WAS A SILLY GAME ANYWAYS? like kyujin maknae boss was taken out first and it didnt matter! but it wouldve mattered to lily. and she thinks that to other members, it’s a reflection on Lily as whole. like oh lily couldnt do this game? lol we know. and honestly i dont think shes entirely wrong for thinking that cus haewon would totally think this exact thought. sorry i have haterisms already. anyways. LILY... T__T She Doesnt Need Them.
@ 12:11 to 12:32 in [NMIXX] "O.O" MV Behind #MIXXTREAM | 두 눈이 커져 like👀 always kills me because um jinni and jiwoo are lowkey ignoring her. HAVE I HAMMERED IN THIS POINT ENOUGH SORRY BUT THE VIBES R SO OFF FREE LILY T__T
actually i think jinni would be one of my favorites if i didnt get such iffy vibes from her towards lily. besides that shes almost perfect...
closest to
im gonna fucking cry. nobody bro absolutely no one
im kidding. um we'll give her haewon, because she seems to have a history with haewon and theyre together the most out of anyMember+Lily so far...? but tbh haewon is closer with other members than lily so.
jiwoo
this is the Other dancer…SHES SO CUTE. i adore her. loveliest cutest mwah <3 you can really tell she does NOT give a fuck about anyone who isnt kyujin bae or jinni like its kind of funny. anytime lily does anything this girl has a "this is gonna be SO cringe" smile on and she looks around like "r u guys seeing this lmfao"... pretty much all written on her face. she says shes an ESFP, but the typical Endearingly Clumsy trait i see in a lot of ESFPs isnt there… she’s a lot more ESTP vibes to me. solely based on vibes i have no real basis for that.
i also most certainly do not like her voice see: her me myself & i cover she's Just a Dancer. maybe a passable rapper too.
closest to
kyujin and bae, arguably jinni. but kyujin is her no. #1 danceMate roomMate hugMate ActsYoungerButIsTheUnnieNearKyujinMate. YES THATS A THING THAT THEY SAID BTW… jiwoo is the type to act cute and try and get hugs and guess who’s right there to entertain the shit out of that and shower miss jiwoo with luv and affection… thats right KYUJIN (this clip <3).
sullyoon
not that i know much about tzuyu from twice but im citing flo’s comparison here because i do get those vibes from her. as The visual member of the group she does have that initial bit where the members r slightly intimidated by her... im sure they all swoon over her regularly lmao. her visuals take away from her talent tho. like i did not know she could sing (did not look up the color coded lyrics on O.O scuse me) until i watched the studio choom dance and realized she was singing… THIS GIRL CAN SING SO NICELY AND SOFTLY. she has this gracefulness to her and her voice compliments it so nicely. the vibe i get from her is like: SOFT. also loner, because i don’t see her being particularly close to anyone in the group. i also think her visuals are a barrier for that. even though everyone in this group is objectively pretty she just. she just outdoes them (objectively. subjectively i do not think sullyoon is the prettiest its actually between kyujin and jinni... totally my type <3).
i was going to talk about her stage presence. she either doesnt have much or she’s hiding it. jyp probably taught her that her face was enough, because when shes on screen, that’s what she shows. her face does most of it for her (same w xiaoting except xiaoting does add the Presence part to it. w sullyoon she goes on sings her line looks pretty and goes back to dancing).
WHILE SHE SINGS HER LINE THO... (this is post watching debut showcase sorry ive written this in pieces lmfao) she sings SOOOOO Well live i cannot get over it. please go watch O.O and TANK live sullyoon cut... miss girl is amazing.
she’s definitely an introvert btw. i do not have much to say on her at the moment but im surprised she and jinni are roommates... decently silent room thats all i have to say. also i think this clip where she sings along with lily when NO ONE ELSE sings is so <3 i think its high time we found a new bestie for lily since haewon is. occupied. or whatever. loner meets loner what do we think
closest to
DAMN NOBODY. jinni top contender since theyre roommates but theres not much thats substantial there... maybe this clip? do we have a proper explanation for why she would move her hair or is this worth exploring >:-).
bae
so bae. she’s interesting to me. like her voice. i expected it to be deep.
that’s probably the only thing i guessed right about her 😭
I THOUGHT SHE’D BE AN INTROVERT, ryujin vibes, chill, crazy talented, also a rapper (sorry i did not look thru those JYPn videos for her i was so preoccupied with KYUJIN). this girl turns out to be the fucking moodmaker? was so fucking confused when she introduced herself on weekly idol as such bc no way you, bae, with that face and those vibes, are the moodmaker. and then she seriously lived up to it?! like back the fuck up…
she’s nowhere near the main star of O.O. i like her dancing enough, her voice is fine, pretty even, but her parts aren’t particularly memorable and this isn’t her era. she starts off the second, brighter part of the song, followed by sullyoon, but lily sort of steals the show (and rightfully so). also i think she has stage presence, but during her parts it fucking dies down. like i know you have it in there?! bring it out?!
her dynamix with the members was like. at first i thought she wasn’t super close with anyone with the exception of haewon, but now i can see. she’s close with the dance line, pretty close with haewon, and the rest are too loner for bae to go out there and get them just yet. come on moodmaker. she’s especially close with jiwoo, who REALLY likes her (that is the cutest contact name ^__^), and haewon, her cafeteria buddy. i think the dance line being so fucking close compared to the rest of the group combined with sullyoon + lily on their own pushed her to be next to haewon. so AS A RESULT... she and haewon are much closer. not the best pairing in this group but nice enough on camera. bae’s good on variety but on the behind she doesn’t exude moodmaker vibes. it’s partially Just for Show… kyujin is the real center of attention here.
closest to
for the sake of debate. HAEWON but the runner up is jiwoo. haewon more these days, bc theyre simply pushed together more (circumstances and group members being in the friend groups that they are). @ 9:41 to 10:16 in [NMIXX] "O.O" MV Behind #MIXXTREAM | 두 눈이 커져 like👀 i get very comfortable vibes from them together.
DMS
i am pretty much citing me and flo's entire dms in here so HERES THE ACTUAL FUCKEN THING. this is long. so i put a scroll bar to make it less of a huge of wall of shit to scroll thru. this may or may not be even MORE annoying to scroll thru if u happen to be genuinely interested in whatever we said sorry <3 i often sacrifice practicality for aesthetics
(this took actual hours fuck off)
guy who has carpeltunnel
CLOSING
ifucking love this group im ulting them goodbye <3
(please send me all your friends there are two (2) insane nswers (FAWK that fandom name) and no others. where are you guys)
and i am sorry for any inconsistencies! i wrote this in pieces, jumped back and forth every five seconds, and i have yet to watch a ton of content bc EVERYTHING CAME OUT TODAY ISTG. my thoughts may change drastically depending on those so!
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me when i stan kep1er against my will... here's me and my first impressions on kep1er after debut and watching exactly one(1) video from them. (idk how many i actually watched but just know it can be counted on one hand). also now that i've expanded my html horizons... i am unstoppable. i literally created a tweet in here im fucking insane. (oh and please ignore the uhhh gradient headers i got a little carried away.... do not let stem students on dreamwidth.)
here were my initial thoughts from the tl:
watched wa da da. wouldve brushed it off if flo hadnt pointed it out but bahiyyih was dancing to... Adlibs ❓ the choreo isnt very smart also Use . Your Dancers. You Have Dancers. Use Them.
5:06 PM · Jan 3, 2022 · Twitter for Android
FIRST. a quick produce debut ranking, now factoring in kep1er's.
la vie en rose > dream girls > energetic > flash > wa da da
this is as objective as one can get imo. i think la vie en rose was the best, not just because of the gorgeous visuals and aesthetics of it all, but b/c of how well it fit the girls. like they all fit the concept amazingly to me. they were in synch, the meaning behind la vie en rose was cheesy but it made sense and it worked out!!! dream girls was a fresh bright debut. perfect song and perfect sound to give ioi. i only put it second because i seriously hate this song and i think it’s a little generic. energetic is Also generic but intensely generic. flash is as generic as a 4th gen bg song gets but i like it and it’s also better than whatever the hell wa da da is. it’s also near the best of 4th gen bg music somehow.
wa da da isn’t generic to me but it feels soooo disconnected. i hate the rock part of it smushed in with a cute ohh-oh! in the chorus. Pick a side! and use your members properly! also make a song that hits on the first listen im so tired of convincing myself i like a song 36 listens later…. this is not ncity!!! the keplerzens said it themselves!!!
(sorry for inserting this tweet for no other reason than me thinking it was funny :D)
HI OKAY. IT'S ME. after approximately 15 listens to this song PLUS listens from content (bkg noise) and clips on twitter. i am fairly well acquainted with all parts of the song and i have to say. (OBVIOUSLY???) it is not as bad as i initially thought. i did drag it thru the dust at first but like IT'S OK. i've concluded that a) not All songs can grow on me and b) i do not Like this song but damn that is so fucking catchy. ignoring like .the angry rock teenage feel of the chorus that pisses me off so much i like the vroom vroom supersonic part (god that's embarrassing to type out) and i think chaehyun's parts are amazingly good... these vocal lines should all be hers. (more on that later).
what makes me think gp999 wasn’t rigged (in terms of rankings) was xiaoting being placed last yet the continued push for xiaoting to be center. not that i’m complaining. she IS kind of the perfect center visually. she’s tall, pretty (objectively the prettiest in the group) and (i think) the most popular member as of now (in contrast to her final ranking in gp999.. not sure what happened There). not just in wa da da but in their bsides too... one thing about mnet is that they're NOT gonna be subtle. they’ll give chaehyun a second or two in the initial formation. because they’re contractually obligated to. and then it goes into a line/intro from xiaoting. (0:14 - 0:35 in shine and 0:00 - 0:12 in wa da da)
i don’t know why mnet didn’t shift xiaoting’s ranking around when i know very well they probably switched chaehyun and bahiyyih’s ranking around (um literally no way they’d let bahiyyih be first). this show is very much popularity based but i guess they failed to take into account how popular bahiyyih would be? they never evil edited her at all... maybe she’s just too pure hearted for them to seriously paint her in a bad light idk. but now mnet is like well well well if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions. and hueningkai. MAYBE IF THEY LEFT THE WHOLE HUENINGKAI SPIEL OUT IT WOULDN’T BE LIKE THIS (but they had to because that was the only interesting thing they could say about bahiyyih + more txt fans means more viewers of the show).
dayeon is Still trying way too hard. i originally thought this was the pressure of the survival show which made her overdance and be cringy onstage but she uh. she’s still doing it. like her very first line in wa da da annoys me. i’m hoping that’s just the fact that this is her debut and over time she’ll relax... at first i couldn’t tell if that was overconfidence in her abilities which made her overdance on stage or if she was under confident which translated to trying more than she should in performances. in gp she probably was doing just fine! like i think pop/stars was only a Little over the top. but then she got hit with Not Being First anymore and it definitely messed with her… and THEN mnet made her the Protagonist, which is when ice cream rolled around. that was when i Really took notice of her performance style. at that point i was like maybe she’s recovering from /Not Being First Anymore/ . LET'S GIVE HER THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. but noooo it was there the whole fucking time after. so now i’m thinking this is just how she performs and i will always have to deal with it 😔 by the time their comeback rolls around if it’s still like this i will sigh in defeat…. guys i could help her. I Could Fix Her Now if they Let Me.
this IS a group of dancers... woahh their performances Could be so good. but there are two that do not get up to the level of the rest. i mean obviously i don’t expect everyone in a group to be stellar dancers but damn it is unfortunate that most of these girls were mainly dancers on girls planet and yujin and bahiyyih... weren’t.
first... yujin. okay. she’s an idol already right. what the hell was she doing in clc then? 😭😭 she is Not center material and she’s kinda stiff as a dancer (that could be that dress tho). i guess her facial expressions are okay..? she doesn’t have that Stage Presence i see from at least half the members. going into girls planet i expected soooo much from her only to watch her be consistently outshone by other contestants... hearing her be called in the final lineup was sort of Eh at that point. like she definitely wasn’t my 1pick anymore... and i was debating whether she was even in my ideal lineup. anyways she is continuing to be outdone in kepler by literally every member except maybe bahiyyih.
bahiyyih. she’s young and i think she needed a lot more training before debuting but Ah the nepotism ruined it all. i have the same thoughts on her as i did with wonyoung in izone - i wish she hadn’t debuted so she could either train some more and quit being an idol or train some more and have a stronger debut. with wonyoung, if she hadn’t debuted in izone, she wouldn’t have had any of the popularity she does now. but bahiyyih has hueningkai so. i actually think that should’ve been the route she went.
ANYWAYS back to dancing. she’s sort of a subpar dancer. looking at the full cam of wa da da and it’s like. well she is lia here essentially, without the vocals. she’s keeping up with the choreo and i can Tell she’s trying but it’s hard to do that when everyone surrounding you is a good dancer (re: itzy lia).
okay and the choreo itself is so bad. i don’t mean bad like terrible, i mean it’s so basic and average and boring. i know they’ll pick that thumb part as the point move but tbh Nothing stands out to me after watching it 5+ times. also What are these moves. what was the shit with the thumb like. 3:32 why did they have mashiro raise her hand..... if only to ruin the beautiful line.
also i don’t know Who came up with this (and they should be fired and killed and shot immediately) but they have bahiyyih dancing to these small adlibs during the chorus. WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA???? it looks so… out of place? this isn’t even her fault. poor girl. if you do have a dancer who’s going to do something differently than the rest, at least make it flow. they’re all doing one move and she suddenly shoots her arms into the air…. wtf.
good example of flow (to me or whatever) is in itzy’s not shy, when ryujin shouts “not shy!” in the chorus and fans her face. the other four simply point to her and then they all continue a move. THAT’S FLOW. not wa da da. whatever that is. it’s pissing me off that they’d get such a mediocre debut... aren't they supposed to replace izone, who debuted with LA VIE EN ROSE? and they get… wa da da? omg they hate them
the chaehyun and youngeun main slayage though… whoo whee these girls can SING!!! i know mnet was clinging to youngeun for dear life. they needed vocals and rn xiaoting is like a wonyoung in terms of vocals (aka subpar technique and decent enough range) so it worked out for them. and chaehyun is a good idol ! i am sorry i cyberbullied and doubted her repeatedly. she’s got stage presence, a voice, and pretty good dancing. i don’t see a problem with her.
also just separate paragraph to fully and properly appreciate the support in chaehyun’s voice…. SHE’S AN IDOL???? like i can hear her support and it’s sooo goddamn beautiful this is a beautiful thing in kpop. youngeun needs to take some notes. all of them actually. they werent kidding when they said she was a trainee since time... she’s a hard worker for sure. im kinda sad she didn’t make too much of an impact during girls planet. like yeah she got first i guess but personally i think she was sort of the token leader/girl with the most experience of whatever group she was in... never felt the like main girl. no xiaoting levels of anything. so truly, why was she first? also, i’m glad she’s first. she will do great things and she is everything somi had but better, in my opinion, cause she can fucking sing. (MINUS personality but i guess there's a separate section Them as people so i can't talk about it here)
yeseo...(as dreamwidth user![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
lowhours said before) she is the jungkook of this group. to me she's like nako except More popular. idk how that even happened. like i wouldn’t have expected YESEO to be the it girl After xiaoting. she’s a Really good dancer, i haven’t heard much of her vocals but they sound exactly like nako’s (at least in wa da da), and she definitely has stage presence 👏👏👏👏 originally i didn’t want her in the lineup - she was sort of eh to me - but i’m not mad about her or anything. and i think she is always serving face so <3
mvsk is actually kind of good. many people have said this i have never had an original thought so whatever but Why wasnt that the title track again? i prefer these girls doing less of a cute concept like wa da da and more of a mvsk/izone sequence esque concept. they suit it better. please plagiarize more izone.
sidenote the mvsk camerawork seeeeriously bothers me… what is with the random cuts to members here and there. i think it’s because whichever choreographer worked on this (i heard on reddit it was one of iz*one’s choreographers???? what happened 💀) thought choreographing adlibs was a good idea so now the camera has to insert cut/insert other cut to actually show off that member which. ugh god could they not have fixed this! even if the choreo sucked they didn’t have to do all that...
i love the way they all bully yujin... something something DOYOUNGISMS… not only that but they’re both bunnies. my tokkis :3 not that i expected kepler to bully their maknae but i just didn’t think they’d be as similar to izone as they are now... (there is um. bullying eunbi=bullying yujin plus the lack of actual rappers and 4/9 members feeling like a load of filler but anyways.)
omg i could bias yeseo at this point..!? she reminds me of wooseok from x1 a lot. they’re both suuuper pretty and they talk in this way that’s so proper and almost . m. like jaemin sort of LOL the complaining part of him. the members said yeseo talks a lot, and they didn’t expect her to talk so much HELLO this is wooseok…. but also wooseok did not have the advantage of being the cute little maknae. yeseo is legally obligated to be adored and treasured by the members. also lucky for her, there’s yujin, who will shield her from most of the teasing because SHE’S the target. (x1 didn’t really have a bully older member system it was like. clear divide between hyungline and maknaeline, plus they were only active for five months so this gap was never narrowed.)
yeseo being a grandma underneath it all lmfksdlhfkjf she's got corny jokes too 😭
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YESEO IS A GRANDMA LMFAO that is the best way i can describe her. she talks a lot, she’s the cook of the group, she had a fucking dad joke up her sleeve… omg <3 bahiyyih feels like the real maknae in all honestly even when they’re together in this clip, yeseo feels older... also a fav yeseo moment of mine.
HIKARU ^__^ my affectionate little jelly bean. I LOVE HOW AFFECTIONATE SHE IS… xiaoting was talking about how she gives hugs and kisses and then in the debut show they mentioned her little cheek rub >__< and then she kept doing the cheek rub with everyone and they are endlessly obsessed with her b/c she’s so CUTE. i am now a part of the hikaru fan club and i Did hate her in girls planet. still sort of hate her on stage but i’ll get used to it in time dw.
miss seo youngeun is so . wonderful extrovert. she is literally yena. funny, they kinda all laugh at what she has to say, also she’s as brutally honest and hilarious as one should get. And, not my personal observation but i’m going to Trustlowhours on this one, she’s close to bahiyyih. which imo means that bahiyyih won’t really be alienated from the group…. i mean she has yujin and youngeun aka leader and semi-moodmaker on her side . she won’t be excluded. am i happy about that? tbh… yes. i hate when one member, even if it’s a member i hate, is isolated from the group in certain ways. (could go on a tangent about my feelings on cravity allen which r essentially the same: i hate him and i hate that he’s excluded from the group but, just to reiterate: i hate him and do not (should not) care. but i digress.) i just need the group to have general chemistry (Other tangent about nct dream > nct 127 BUT I DIGRESS) otherwise it’s hard for me to stan them. (insert other tangent about why i unstanned cravity. But I Digress.)
the way xiaoting acts like a mother around some and a baby around others is fascinating... i need to keep a lookout for how she treats the unnie line vs the maknaes. hikaru is already babied by her soo hmm...ALSO GUYS THIS. AYA SENT ME THIS
WHO ELSE DIED. :0 need to launch a full fledged investigation on this right fucking now actually.
in the debut show they also mentioned xiaoting is a little bit of a clumsy person and AHHH im just infinitely more endeared <3 this is not the type of person i would bias usually eeeee
been avoiding shipping xiaohyun for ... how fucking long? announcing now that i'm not going to invest energy into That anymore... um niz is putting xiaohyun on my tl and aya is partaking in this as well (cause GUESS WHO ELSE ARE xiaotingSuperfan8000s.... ugfjhgdfgkjh LEAVE ALL OF YOU!!) i will have to deal with the shame of shipping the top2 visuals in a group and fuck it that's so embarrassing.... eeeaaa im waiting for my 2pick (xiaoting/youngeun) to fucking do something so i can 2pickship them and live in peace. what's a girl gotta do to happily 2pickship around here?
1. xiaoting - no explanation needed but here’s to talented breathtaking visuals. she will be a milf one day 🍻
2. youngeun - i mean i am haechanfan2000 and continually bias wrecked by yena i do love my exchroverts and moodmakers. who are all lead vocal and lead dancer material. funny how that works
3. yeseo - she’s about to be so hated and loved. by the group i mean. loved by me because i love people who don’t shut up and get bullied >:)
4. mashiro - idk she’s cute to me. her laugh <3 her smile and her interax <3 and her being older and part of the endless leader battle that i keep talking about but never see in action. i love herrrr
5. chaehyun - a singer! not a huge fan of her personality but i genuinely think she is a good center and she will slay.
6. hikaru - JELLY BEAN i have nothing to say she’s just cute to me and i am just expecting different things from her onstage that i will not get because this group doesn’t have any other rappers.
7. dayeon - try less hard and you will be fine. i also think you are pretty and have the perfect meme face ok i will like you in exactly three months i just have to be dramatic about it first.
8. yujin - need more from her but her personality is >__< ack! to me. cute. and funny.
9. bahiyyih - hmmm… many thoughts but she is very young and i want to give her an honest chance so i will wait a few comebacks to seriously declare her enemy #1. she is pure hearted enough to win me over like i don’t think she expected or even wanted most of what she got but she is doing something with it so…. :) rue being nice for once.
might make a part 2 of this if i ever get around to watching kepler view hehe… for now i am thoroughly occupied by schoolwork and i have learned that i am incapable of getting work done with a show in the background. (i’m also incapable of paying attention to videos if my phone is anywhere in the room but we will figure it out.) as much as i might say otherwise i doooo actually like this group and most of the members, or at least, i find them all interesting enough to continue with it. especially xiaoting. my sweet <3
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it felt like they were constantly switching between two songs. plus i seriously hate the chorus it's like if u mashed dream girls by ioi and itzy together except a fraction of the slayage
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youngeun slay actually. and i think they distributed parts sort of ok like i wouldn't switch anyone around (after the first listen) also the concept photos being a huge letdown. this was not cunty like i thought it would be
FIRST. a quick produce debut ranking, now factoring in kep1er's.
la vie en rose > dream girls > energetic > flash > wa da da
this is as objective as one can get imo. i think la vie en rose was the best, not just because of the gorgeous visuals and aesthetics of it all, but b/c of how well it fit the girls. like they all fit the concept amazingly to me. they were in synch, the meaning behind la vie en rose was cheesy but it made sense and it worked out!!! dream girls was a fresh bright debut. perfect song and perfect sound to give ioi. i only put it second because i seriously hate this song and i think it’s a little generic. energetic is Also generic but intensely generic. flash is as generic as a 4th gen bg song gets but i like it and it’s also better than whatever the hell wa da da is. it’s also near the best of 4th gen bg music somehow.
wa da da isn’t generic to me but it feels soooo disconnected. i hate the rock part of it smushed in with a cute ohh-oh! in the chorus. Pick a side! and use your members properly! also make a song that hits on the first listen im so tired of convincing myself i like a song 36 listens later…. this is not ncity!!! the keplerzens said it themselves!!!
(sorry for inserting this tweet for no other reason than me thinking it was funny :D)
HI OKAY. IT'S ME. after approximately 15 listens to this song PLUS listens from content (bkg noise) and clips on twitter. i am fairly well acquainted with all parts of the song and i have to say. (OBVIOUSLY???) it is not as bad as i initially thought. i did drag it thru the dust at first but like IT'S OK. i've concluded that a) not All songs can grow on me and b) i do not Like this song but damn that is so fucking catchy. ignoring like .the angry rock teenage feel of the chorus that pisses me off so much i like the vroom vroom supersonic part (god that's embarrassing to type out) and i think chaehyun's parts are amazingly good... these vocal lines should all be hers. (more on that later).
on members + song specifics
what makes me think gp999 wasn’t rigged (in terms of rankings) was xiaoting being placed last yet the continued push for xiaoting to be center. not that i’m complaining. she IS kind of the perfect center visually. she’s tall, pretty (objectively the prettiest in the group) and (i think) the most popular member as of now (in contrast to her final ranking in gp999.. not sure what happened There). not just in wa da da but in their bsides too... one thing about mnet is that they're NOT gonna be subtle. they’ll give chaehyun a second or two in the initial formation. because they’re contractually obligated to. and then it goes into a line/intro from xiaoting. (0:14 - 0:35 in shine and 0:00 - 0:12 in wa da da)
i don’t know why mnet didn’t shift xiaoting’s ranking around when i know very well they probably switched chaehyun and bahiyyih’s ranking around (um literally no way they’d let bahiyyih be first). this show is very much popularity based but i guess they failed to take into account how popular bahiyyih would be? they never evil edited her at all... maybe she’s just too pure hearted for them to seriously paint her in a bad light idk. but now mnet is like well well well if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions. and hueningkai. MAYBE IF THEY LEFT THE WHOLE HUENINGKAI SPIEL OUT IT WOULDN’T BE LIKE THIS (but they had to because that was the only interesting thing they could say about bahiyyih + more txt fans means more viewers of the show).
dayeon is Still trying way too hard. i originally thought this was the pressure of the survival show which made her overdance and be cringy onstage but she uh. she’s still doing it. like her very first line in wa da da annoys me. i’m hoping that’s just the fact that this is her debut and over time she’ll relax... at first i couldn’t tell if that was overconfidence in her abilities which made her overdance on stage or if she was under confident which translated to trying more than she should in performances. in gp she probably was doing just fine! like i think pop/stars was only a Little over the top. but then she got hit with Not Being First anymore and it definitely messed with her… and THEN mnet made her the Protagonist, which is when ice cream rolled around. that was when i Really took notice of her performance style. at that point i was like maybe she’s recovering from /Not Being First Anymore/ . LET'S GIVE HER THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. but noooo it was there the whole fucking time after. so now i’m thinking this is just how she performs and i will always have to deal with it 😔 by the time their comeback rolls around if it’s still like this i will sigh in defeat…. guys i could help her. I Could Fix Her Now if they Let Me.
this IS a group of dancers... woahh their performances Could be so good. but there are two that do not get up to the level of the rest. i mean obviously i don’t expect everyone in a group to be stellar dancers but damn it is unfortunate that most of these girls were mainly dancers on girls planet and yujin and bahiyyih... weren’t.
first... yujin. okay. she’s an idol already right. what the hell was she doing in clc then? 😭😭 she is Not center material and she’s kinda stiff as a dancer (that could be that dress tho). i guess her facial expressions are okay..? she doesn’t have that Stage Presence i see from at least half the members. going into girls planet i expected soooo much from her only to watch her be consistently outshone by other contestants... hearing her be called in the final lineup was sort of Eh at that point. like she definitely wasn’t my 1pick anymore... and i was debating whether she was even in my ideal lineup. anyways she is continuing to be outdone in kepler by literally every member except maybe bahiyyih.
bahiyyih. she’s young and i think she needed a lot more training before debuting but Ah the nepotism ruined it all. i have the same thoughts on her as i did with wonyoung in izone - i wish she hadn’t debuted so she could either train some more and quit being an idol or train some more and have a stronger debut. with wonyoung, if she hadn’t debuted in izone, she wouldn’t have had any of the popularity she does now. but bahiyyih has hueningkai so. i actually think that should’ve been the route she went.
ANYWAYS back to dancing. she’s sort of a subpar dancer. looking at the full cam of wa da da and it’s like. well she is lia here essentially, without the vocals. she’s keeping up with the choreo and i can Tell she’s trying but it’s hard to do that when everyone surrounding you is a good dancer (re: itzy lia).
okay and the choreo itself is so bad. i don’t mean bad like terrible, i mean it’s so basic and average and boring. i know they’ll pick that thumb part as the point move but tbh Nothing stands out to me after watching it 5+ times. also What are these moves. what was the shit with the thumb like. 3:32 why did they have mashiro raise her hand..... if only to ruin the beautiful line.
also i don’t know Who came up with this (and they should be fired and killed and shot immediately) but they have bahiyyih dancing to these small adlibs during the chorus. WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA???? it looks so… out of place? this isn’t even her fault. poor girl. if you do have a dancer who’s going to do something differently than the rest, at least make it flow. they’re all doing one move and she suddenly shoots her arms into the air…. wtf.
good example of flow (to me or whatever) is in itzy’s not shy, when ryujin shouts “not shy!” in the chorus and fans her face. the other four simply point to her and then they all continue a move. THAT’S FLOW. not wa da da. whatever that is. it’s pissing me off that they’d get such a mediocre debut... aren't they supposed to replace izone, who debuted with LA VIE EN ROSE? and they get… wa da da? omg they hate them
the chaehyun and youngeun main slayage though… whoo whee these girls can SING!!! i know mnet was clinging to youngeun for dear life. they needed vocals and rn xiaoting is like a wonyoung in terms of vocals (aka subpar technique and decent enough range) so it worked out for them. and chaehyun is a good idol ! i am sorry i cyberbullied and doubted her repeatedly. she’s got stage presence, a voice, and pretty good dancing. i don’t see a problem with her.
also just separate paragraph to fully and properly appreciate the support in chaehyun’s voice…. SHE’S AN IDOL???? like i can hear her support and it’s sooo goddamn beautiful this is a beautiful thing in kpop. youngeun needs to take some notes. all of them actually. they werent kidding when they said she was a trainee since time... she’s a hard worker for sure. im kinda sad she didn’t make too much of an impact during girls planet. like yeah she got first i guess but personally i think she was sort of the token leader/girl with the most experience of whatever group she was in... never felt the like main girl. no xiaoting levels of anything. so truly, why was she first? also, i’m glad she’s first. she will do great things and she is everything somi had but better, in my opinion, cause she can fucking sing. (MINUS personality but i guess there's a separate section Them as people so i can't talk about it here)
yeseo...(as dreamwidth user
lowhours said before) she is the jungkook of this group. to me she's like nako except More popular. idk how that even happened. like i wouldn’t have expected YESEO to be the it girl After xiaoting. she’s a Really good dancer, i haven’t heard much of her vocals but they sound exactly like nako’s (at least in wa da da), and she definitely has stage presence 👏👏👏👏 originally i didn’t want her in the lineup - she was sort of eh to me - but i’m not mad about her or anything. and i think she is always serving face so <3
mvsk is actually kind of good. many people have said this i have never had an original thought so whatever but Why wasnt that the title track again? i prefer these girls doing less of a cute concept like wa da da and more of a mvsk/izone sequence esque concept. they suit it better. please plagiarize more izone.
sidenote the mvsk camerawork seeeeriously bothers me… what is with the random cuts to members here and there. i think it’s because whichever choreographer worked on this (i heard on reddit it was one of iz*one’s choreographers???? what happened 💀) thought choreographing adlibs was a good idea so now the camera has to insert cut/insert other cut to actually show off that member which. ugh god could they not have fixed this! even if the choreo sucked they didn’t have to do all that...
first impressions
i love the way they all bully yujin... something something DOYOUNGISMS… not only that but they’re both bunnies. my tokkis :3 not that i expected kepler to bully their maknae but i just didn’t think they’d be as similar to izone as they are now... (there is um. bullying eunbi=bullying yujin plus the lack of actual rappers and 4/9 members feeling like a load of filler but anyways.)
omg i could bias yeseo at this point..!? she reminds me of wooseok from x1 a lot. they’re both suuuper pretty and they talk in this way that’s so proper and almost . m. like jaemin sort of LOL the complaining part of him. the members said yeseo talks a lot, and they didn’t expect her to talk so much HELLO this is wooseok…. but also wooseok did not have the advantage of being the cute little maknae. yeseo is legally obligated to be adored and treasured by the members. also lucky for her, there’s yujin, who will shield her from most of the teasing because SHE’S the target. (x1 didn’t really have a bully older member system it was like. clear divide between hyungline and maknaeline, plus they were only active for five months so this gap was never narrowed.)
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YESEO IS A GRANDMA LMFAO that is the best way i can describe her. she talks a lot, she’s the cook of the group, she had a fucking dad joke up her sleeve… omg <3 bahiyyih feels like the real maknae in all honestly even when they’re together in this clip, yeseo feels older... also a fav yeseo moment of mine.
HIKARU ^__^ my affectionate little jelly bean. I LOVE HOW AFFECTIONATE SHE IS… xiaoting was talking about how she gives hugs and kisses and then in the debut show they mentioned her little cheek rub >__< and then she kept doing the cheek rub with everyone and they are endlessly obsessed with her b/c she’s so CUTE. i am now a part of the hikaru fan club and i Did hate her in girls planet. still sort of hate her on stage but i’ll get used to it in time dw.
miss seo youngeun is so . wonderful extrovert. she is literally yena. funny, they kinda all laugh at what she has to say, also she’s as brutally honest and hilarious as one should get. And, not my personal observation but i’m going to Trust
lowhours on this one, she’s close to bahiyyih. which imo means that bahiyyih won’t really be alienated from the group…. i mean she has yujin and youngeun aka leader and semi-moodmaker on her side . she won’t be excluded. am i happy about that? tbh… yes. i hate when one member, even if it’s a member i hate, is isolated from the group in certain ways. (could go on a tangent about my feelings on cravity allen which r essentially the same: i hate him and i hate that he’s excluded from the group but, just to reiterate: i hate him and do not (should not) care. but i digress.) i just need the group to have general chemistry (Other tangent about nct dream > nct 127 BUT I DIGRESS) otherwise it’s hard for me to stan them. (insert other tangent about why i unstanned cravity. But I Digress.)
the way xiaoting acts like a mother around some and a baby around others is fascinating... i need to keep a lookout for how she treats the unnie line vs the maknaes. hikaru is already babied by her soo hmm...ALSO GUYS THIS. AYA SENT ME THIS
WHO ELSE DIED. :0 need to launch a full fledged investigation on this right fucking now actually.
in the debut show they also mentioned xiaoting is a little bit of a clumsy person and AHHH im just infinitely more endeared <3 this is not the type of person i would bias usually eeeee
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been avoiding shipping xiaohyun for ... how fucking long? announcing now that i'm not going to invest energy into That anymore... um niz is putting xiaohyun on my tl and aya is partaking in this as well (cause GUESS WHO ELSE ARE xiaotingSuperfan8000s.... ugfjhgdfgkjh LEAVE ALL OF YOU!!) i will have to deal with the shame of shipping the top2 visuals in a group and fuck it that's so embarrassing.... eeeaaa im waiting for my 2pick (xiaoting/youngeun) to fucking do something so i can 2pickship them and live in peace. what's a girl gotta do to happily 2pickship around here?
current member ranking
1. xiaoting - no explanation needed but here’s to talented breathtaking visuals. she will be a milf one day 🍻
2. youngeun - i mean i am haechanfan2000 and continually bias wrecked by yena i do love my exchroverts and moodmakers. who are all lead vocal and lead dancer material. funny how that works
3. yeseo - she’s about to be so hated and loved. by the group i mean. loved by me because i love people who don’t shut up and get bullied >:)
4. mashiro - idk she’s cute to me. her laugh <3 her smile and her interax <3 and her being older and part of the endless leader battle that i keep talking about but never see in action. i love herrrr
5. chaehyun - a singer! not a huge fan of her personality but i genuinely think she is a good center and she will slay.
6. hikaru - JELLY BEAN i have nothing to say she’s just cute to me and i am just expecting different things from her onstage that i will not get because this group doesn’t have any other rappers.
7. dayeon - try less hard and you will be fine. i also think you are pretty and have the perfect meme face ok i will like you in exactly three months i just have to be dramatic about it first.
8. yujin - need more from her but her personality is >__< ack! to me. cute. and funny.
9. bahiyyih - hmmm… many thoughts but she is very young and i want to give her an honest chance so i will wait a few comebacks to seriously declare her enemy #1. she is pure hearted enough to win me over like i don’t think she expected or even wanted most of what she got but she is doing something with it so…. :) rue being nice for once.
might make a part 2 of this if i ever get around to watching kepler view hehe… for now i am thoroughly occupied by schoolwork and i have learned that i am incapable of getting work done with a show in the background. (i’m also incapable of paying attention to videos if my phone is anywhere in the room but we will figure it out.) as much as i might say otherwise i doooo actually like this group and most of the members, or at least, i find them all interesting enough to continue with it. especially xiaoting. my sweet <3
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thoughts on writing jungwoo for anon
random because ik you’re not a jungwoo enjoyer but what are ur thoughts on writing him i feel like we don’t actually know him enough to pin his characterization down
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this is a really good question... do u mean like thoughts on ME writing jungwoo? thoughts on how jungwoo is written? what's interesting to write about jungwoo? do we know him enough? I didn't know so i tried to cover everything i could ^__^
let me preface this by saying I Am Not A Writer. I've written one (incomplete) fic and it wasn't even NCT it was loona soooo take this with an enormous crystal of salt.
i actually think we know jungwoo enough to characterize him well! the best contents with which to get a good sense of him are probably the nct punch promotions... especially the office videos. I do think certain parts of him are like.... a little hard to get if you can't relate to things jwoo does or feels for ex. trying super hard to make people laugh. im guy who outsources validation just as much as this guy does so i get him... a lot more than i want to tbh. most of my mutuals hate him...i was sorta neutral on him but U KNOW ME. i am a hater. and if there's something to hate on then that is what i'll do. and so my opinion of jungwoo has pretty much tanked since then 😭
members I think would be the most fun to write are {haechan, mark, jaemin, jisung, johnny, ten, maaaybe jungwoo} and members i think are the hardest to write are {winwin, haechan, jaehyun, jaemin}. with jungwoo i think it really depends but ofc i am looking thru a canoncompliant lens here (please pleas eplease keep in mind I've never written them and am talking out of my ass LOL) anyways
📝 some parts to jungwoo's personality
his need for validation
so jungwoo is um. constantly trying to make everyone laugh I don't even need to cite a specific content here but i will. NCT 127 punch promotions oh my goodness this guy was a Please Laugh At Me machine. when i tell you that was both more than mildly entertaining and extremely difficult to watch. like. HE IS JUST OBSESSED WITH HAVING TO BE THE FUNNIEST PERSON IN THE ROOM. trying way too hard. i always scratch my head when i see some crack edit of "jungwoo being effortlessly funny" or "jungwoo being the funniest person in the room" cause a) not effortless and b) danggg i did not know people's senses of humor was fucking DEFUNCT like this.
u can tell when he expects a joke to land bc he will actually wait for laughter too its so fucigfgfsdkj i mean. would be fun to write i guess but that's. cringe. :[]
and i KNEW he was doing this because I did the exact same thing and have the exact same need for ppl to laugh at me. because i will die otherwise. jw is an introvert though so its slightly different... he does it bc hes comfortable enough with the members or to stand out in variety content. and tbh he doesnt achieve that but he still tries so good job i guess.
does he get people to laugh? not if the people laughing only laugh at things that are funny. so his solution is > hang out with mark and doyoung also queerbait jaehyun and boom suddenly life is so perfect.
things he does that i (shamefully) also did (emphases on DID):
- is weird and does weird things
- does gay things
- lies. is just a chronic liar but its also the stupidest lies
that's not even all of them tbh...
and this would actually be soooo fun to write um jungwoo pining for somebody would be kind of easy and fun. Please give me validation kind of guy seems easier to me than Complex people and smart people. also FUNNY people. not having to be genuinely funny when u write a character bc that character isnt funny and only hangs around people who think he is? u won.
(because i miss him and i love him) haechan also has the desire to be admired but his isn't rlly similar to jungwoo's in that he is Actually funny and he gets admiration from nct like all the time. (he's def looking for validation as a Musical artist because that's not exactly something he gets (i am not going to get into haechan mistreatment and erasure OR haechans michael jackson complex... i wont be able to stop myself that's for another day <3)). in comparison thats like wayyyy harder to write oml jungwoo is cruising compared to the hellhole that is characterizing haechan.
would i like to write this: yes bc it's easy and simple enough for my pea brain made of tin. I love when one side of the relationship Needs the other side for approval. that's why i like markhyuck sm... mark laughing at anything u do would draw u to him immediately despite some of his. uh. dumbassery. stupidity. etc. u like people who make u feel good. this is why markwoo is enjoyable to me. not as superior as markhyuck but y'know. marks involved and it's a good time <3
he is queerbaitnator5000
poor jaehyun has to suffer this man's queerbaiting and HE JUST CAME OUT. it is so evil. and comedy gold. (ummm sidenote. sidenote that i dont want to admit and dont like but lots of healing being done in this post already so why not. jaehyun jungwoo is seeping up thru my ships list... not the top but they're getting too close for my liking.)
back to jungwoo. jungwoo will almost(ALMOST!) kiss his members (not all of them) or be super gay with them idk all over them, when they're generally okay with it. AND I GET IT OK. I AM YOU BUT AN EXTROVERT I DO THAT TOO. but u know he would never... actually do it. like. he wouldn't push it. and its different with certain members, definitely. first of all he doesnt because industry (contractually not allowed i think but its probably just more of a general kpop idol rule lol does it look like i Know things?). with jungwoo, unless the other member initiated an actual kiss or something jungwoo wouldn't push it. he doesn't really do things unless he's allowed to or feels comfortable enough... jaehyuns not gonna yknow. crucify him for being Like That so he does it. (as i reread this it no longer makes sense im hoping u can put something together anon sawry)
its so strange to me. in a lot of fics jwoo ends up in like such... situations. and messes that he created but i feel like (if we're going for accuracy here) he'd be much more cautious. or it wouldn't be THAT much of a disaster / THAT much mess coming from jungwoo's end. fics like the canoncomp jaewoo by idolrapper is exactly what i'm talking about... he might poke and prod and try something but ultimately it's jaehyun who actually initiates. and then jwoo sucks his dick at the end (After offering!) bc he feels like he Can ykwim. okay anyways we r done with the pwp im sorry kjsajfhskdfjh ☺️)
wiltwt: it's sort of debatable honestly. I like people who break rules and bounds. people who make the first move. people like haechan essentially... (do I make everything about him? YES.) it would be a lot more entertaining for me to write him as the typical messy jungwoo who lands himself in sticky situations (literally) OR like berry did in their jaewoo fic cause jungwoo was Extremely provoking and pushing it a ton yet not the one to initiate. but i have this disease where I have to write my character exactly like the real jungwoo or else I will die. so probably...... not(?)
when he's shy / when he's not
so we know jungwoo will do anything to get a laugh or two. but he was Theee shyest bitch ever at first i think it was maybe (maybe) (I say maybe bc it could've been someone else im pretty lazy with 127 content) yuta who kinda got him more comfy. whenever jungwoo would make a joke and it wasnt recognized by the other members, yuta would always notice it and laugh, or, at the very least, acknowledge his joke. which could suck but jungwoo is extremely desperate it's almost hilarious. yuta would also try to include him and stuff...? u know how that goes like just bringing him up and asking him to do this or that and participate. so I think jungwoo gradually got more comfortable, and in realizing that doyoung jaehyun and mark will laugh at every single thing he does, he found his people. glad that worked out for him. personally I think it was bearable to watch at first but he is trying WAYYY too hard to be funny these days and idk why. 😐 like DOYOUNG IS GOING TO LAUGH AT YOU ANYWAYS. YOU ARE DOING TOO MUCH. if you peel off all the idolsona pr boldness layers on variety shows (except weekly idol he was still A 9 year old on there) he is just a shy little boy ^__^
wiltwt: mmmm maybe if it was at a point in time where au-jungwoo is already well acquainted with the characters I need him to be with. I'm not a huge fan of strangers to lovers tbh fwb and strangers to lovers are the some of the first items of my List of Tropes That Do Not Fuck. did i mention i like bold moves and Oops-I-Kissed-Him-Now-There's-Consequences-and-Mixed-Feelings.
closing thoughts
if i had to rate it on a scale of these orange boxes (its supposed to be 1 to 10 ok) for how difficult it is to write jungwoo, relative to the other nct members, i'd put him like. here:
his personality isn't that complicated to write honestly (says the guy who has never written for nct.) i think it's more interesting to look at his relationships with each of the 127 members! since he joined in 2018 and developed different dynamics with them there is a lot to unpack Especially recently. things have changed in 127. i will not be going over that today bc to be frank. i haven't fully watched like... ANY kpop content recently? and to speak on these things i need to watch those thirty times minimum. hope this was a fulfilling answer if only a little bit <3
let me preface this by saying I Am Not A Writer. I've written one (incomplete) fic and it wasn't even NCT it was loona soooo take this with an enormous crystal of salt.
i actually think we know jungwoo enough to characterize him well! the best contents with which to get a good sense of him are probably the nct punch promotions... especially the office videos. I do think certain parts of him are like.... a little hard to get if you can't relate to things jwoo does or feels for ex. trying super hard to make people laugh. im guy who outsources validation just as much as this guy does so i get him... a lot more than i want to tbh. most of my mutuals hate him...i was sorta neutral on him but U KNOW ME. i am a hater. and if there's something to hate on then that is what i'll do. and so my opinion of jungwoo has pretty much tanked since then 😭
members I think would be the most fun to write are {haechan, mark, jaemin, jisung, johnny, ten, maaaybe jungwoo} and members i think are the hardest to write are {winwin, haechan, jaehyun, jaemin}. with jungwoo i think it really depends but ofc i am looking thru a canoncompliant lens here (please pleas eplease keep in mind I've never written them and am talking out of my ass LOL) anyways
📝 some parts to jungwoo's personality
his need for validation
so jungwoo is um. constantly trying to make everyone laugh I don't even need to cite a specific content here but i will. NCT 127 punch promotions oh my goodness this guy was a Please Laugh At Me machine. when i tell you that was both more than mildly entertaining and extremely difficult to watch. like. HE IS JUST OBSESSED WITH HAVING TO BE THE FUNNIEST PERSON IN THE ROOM. trying way too hard. i always scratch my head when i see some crack edit of "jungwoo being effortlessly funny" or "jungwoo being the funniest person in the room" cause a) not effortless and b) danggg i did not know people's senses of humor was fucking DEFUNCT like this.
u can tell when he expects a joke to land bc he will actually wait for laughter too its so fucigfgfsdkj i mean. would be fun to write i guess but that's. cringe. :[]
and i KNEW he was doing this because I did the exact same thing and have the exact same need for ppl to laugh at me. because i will die otherwise. jw is an introvert though so its slightly different... he does it bc hes comfortable enough with the members or to stand out in variety content. and tbh he doesnt achieve that but he still tries so good job i guess.
does he get people to laugh? not if the people laughing only laugh at things that are funny. so his solution is > hang out with mark and doyoung also queerbait jaehyun and boom suddenly life is so perfect.
things he does that i (shamefully) also did (emphases on DID):
- is weird and does weird things
- does gay things
- lies. is just a chronic liar but its also the stupidest lies
that's not even all of them tbh...
and this would actually be soooo fun to write um jungwoo pining for somebody would be kind of easy and fun. Please give me validation kind of guy seems easier to me than Complex people and smart people. also FUNNY people. not having to be genuinely funny when u write a character bc that character isnt funny and only hangs around people who think he is? u won.
(because i miss him and i love him) haechan also has the desire to be admired but his isn't rlly similar to jungwoo's in that he is Actually funny and he gets admiration from nct like all the time. (he's def looking for validation as a Musical artist because that's not exactly something he gets (i am not going to get into haechan mistreatment and erasure OR haechans michael jackson complex... i wont be able to stop myself that's for another day <3)). in comparison thats like wayyyy harder to write oml jungwoo is cruising compared to the hellhole that is characterizing haechan.
would i like to write this: yes bc it's easy and simple enough for my pea brain made of tin. I love when one side of the relationship Needs the other side for approval. that's why i like markhyuck sm... mark laughing at anything u do would draw u to him immediately despite some of his. uh. dumbassery. stupidity. etc. u like people who make u feel good. this is why markwoo is enjoyable to me. not as superior as markhyuck but y'know. marks involved and it's a good time <3
he is queerbaitnator5000
poor jaehyun has to suffer this man's queerbaiting and HE JUST CAME OUT. it is so evil. and comedy gold. (ummm sidenote. sidenote that i dont want to admit and dont like but lots of healing being done in this post already so why not. jaehyun jungwoo is seeping up thru my ships list... not the top but they're getting too close for my liking.)
back to jungwoo. jungwoo will almost(ALMOST!) kiss his members (not all of them) or be super gay with them idk all over them, when they're generally okay with it. AND I GET IT OK. I AM YOU BUT AN EXTROVERT I DO THAT TOO. but u know he would never... actually do it. like. he wouldn't push it. and its different with certain members, definitely. first of all he doesnt because industry (contractually not allowed i think but its probably just more of a general kpop idol rule lol does it look like i Know things?). with jungwoo, unless the other member initiated an actual kiss or something jungwoo wouldn't push it. he doesn't really do things unless he's allowed to or feels comfortable enough... jaehyuns not gonna yknow. crucify him for being Like That so he does it. (as i reread this it no longer makes sense im hoping u can put something together anon sawry)
its so strange to me. in a lot of fics jwoo ends up in like such... situations. and messes that he created but i feel like (if we're going for accuracy here) he'd be much more cautious. or it wouldn't be THAT much of a disaster / THAT much mess coming from jungwoo's end. fics like the canoncomp jaewoo by idolrapper is exactly what i'm talking about... he might poke and prod and try something but ultimately it's jaehyun who actually initiates. and then jwoo sucks his dick at the end (After offering!) bc he feels like he Can ykwim. okay anyways we r done with the pwp im sorry kjsajfhskdfjh ☺️)
wiltwt: it's sort of debatable honestly. I like people who break rules and bounds. people who make the first move. people like haechan essentially... (do I make everything about him? YES.) it would be a lot more entertaining for me to write him as the typical messy jungwoo who lands himself in sticky situations (literally) OR like berry did in their jaewoo fic cause jungwoo was Extremely provoking and pushing it a ton yet not the one to initiate. but i have this disease where I have to write my character exactly like the real jungwoo or else I will die. so probably...... not(?)
when he's shy / when he's not
so we know jungwoo will do anything to get a laugh or two. but he was Theee shyest bitch ever at first i think it was maybe (maybe) (I say maybe bc it could've been someone else im pretty lazy with 127 content) yuta who kinda got him more comfy. whenever jungwoo would make a joke and it wasnt recognized by the other members, yuta would always notice it and laugh, or, at the very least, acknowledge his joke. which could suck but jungwoo is extremely desperate it's almost hilarious. yuta would also try to include him and stuff...? u know how that goes like just bringing him up and asking him to do this or that and participate. so I think jungwoo gradually got more comfortable, and in realizing that doyoung jaehyun and mark will laugh at every single thing he does, he found his people. glad that worked out for him. personally I think it was bearable to watch at first but he is trying WAYYY too hard to be funny these days and idk why. 😐 like DOYOUNG IS GOING TO LAUGH AT YOU ANYWAYS. YOU ARE DOING TOO MUCH. if you peel off all the idolsona pr boldness layers on variety shows (except weekly idol he was still A 9 year old on there) he is just a shy little boy ^__^
wiltwt: mmmm maybe if it was at a point in time where au-jungwoo is already well acquainted with the characters I need him to be with. I'm not a huge fan of strangers to lovers tbh fwb and strangers to lovers are the some of the first items of my List of Tropes That Do Not Fuck. did i mention i like bold moves and Oops-I-Kissed-Him-Now-There's-Consequences-and-Mixed-Feelings.
closing thoughts
if i had to rate it on a scale of these orange boxes (its supposed to be 1 to 10 ok) for how difficult it is to write jungwoo, relative to the other nct members, i'd put him like. here: